Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

05/07/2006 12:00 PM House FINANCE


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= HB 316 EXTEND BOARD OF GOVERNORS ABA
Moved CSHB 316(JUD) Out of Committee
SB 48 PSYCH. EVALUATION/TREATMENT FOR STUDENTS
Moved HCS CSSB 48(HES) Out of Committee
= SB 206 DETENTION /I.D. OF PERSONS;CONTEMPT OF CT
Moved HCS CSSB 206(FIN) Out of Committee
= SB 160 STATE PROCUREMENT ELECTRONIC TOOLS
<Pending Referral>
= SB 231 BUDGET: CAPITAL & OTHER APPROPRIATIONS
Heard & Held
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 206(FIN)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating to contempt of court and to temporary                                                                      
     detention and identification of persons.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stoltze  MOVED   to  ADOPT  Work  Draft  #24-                                                                   
LS1197\N,  Luckhaupt, 5/6/06.  NO  OBJECTIONS, the  Committee                                                                   
Substitute was ADOPTED. NO OBJECTIONS.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CON BUNDE, SPONSOR, testified  regarding the bill. He                                                                   
noted  that the  bill was  an  attempt to  address a  growing                                                                   
inner city  problem regarding  material witnesses. He  gave a                                                                   
recent  example of  a circumstance  when a  group engaged  in                                                                   
violent criminal behaviors refused  to provide identification                                                                   
in Anchorage.  He proposed that  it was a balance  to protect                                                                   
the freedoms  of regular  citizens, while  giving the  police                                                                   
the  ability to  prosecute criminals.  He  noted attempts  to                                                                   
maintain  constitutionality,  and stated  that  the chief  of                                                                   
police in Anchorage supported the bill.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:54:09 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde gave  an example  of the  importance of  being                                                                   
able to identify  individuals even if they are  not an active                                                                   
participant  in a  crime. He  referred to  a group  shooting,                                                                   
which occurred in  the Anchorage area. An individual  who was                                                                   
in the area at  the time, but was not involved  in the crime,                                                                   
lead to the  identification and location of  the murderer. He                                                                   
stated  that  the  bill  protected  people  from  unnecessary                                                                   
questioning,  but would aid  police by requiring  individuals                                                                   
to  identify  themselves.  These  witnesses  would  be  given                                                                   
protection.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:57:29 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker asked if  the Sponsor supported the CS.                                                                   
The Sponsor does support this version.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:57:55 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kerttula  asked  regarding the  ability  of an                                                                   
individual to quash  a subpoena was removed  in the committee                                                                   
substitute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LAUREN RICE, STAFF, SENATOR BUNDE  explained that the section                                                                   
was removed since it implied that  if a person provided their                                                                   
identification,  the   police  could  not  ask   for  further                                                                   
testimony. She explained that  if identification was offered,                                                                   
and the  police decided that  more information was  needed, a                                                                   
subpoena could be issued.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kerttula  noted   that  normally   the  courts                                                                   
would decide.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DEAN GUANELI,  CHIEF ASSISTANT  ATTORNEY GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT                                                                   
OF LAW explained  that it is the obligation  of every citizen                                                                   
to  provide  testimony in  court  if  they are  required  to,                                                                   
unless  they   would  incriminate  themselves;   there  is  a                                                                   
statutory  scheme that  covers  fifth amendment  claims.  The                                                                   
legislation  attempts  to  provide a  mechanism  to  identify                                                                   
persons    that   witness   crime.    Persons   without    of                                                                   
identification could be given a subpoena.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:59:28 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Guaneli added  that they  may  be other  reasons that  a                                                                   
prosecutor  would need  their testimony  before a grand  jury                                                                   
beyond  the  need  to  identify  themselves.  This  provision                                                                   
allows that  if a  prosecutor had a  need for testimony,  the                                                                   
individual could  no longer quash  a subpoena.  He maintained                                                                   
that  a  person   should  not  be  allowed   to  avoid  their                                                                   
obligation to  appear before a  grand jury by  simply showing                                                                   
identification. They  can still move to quash  a subpoena for                                                                   
other reasons.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kerttula  maintained  her  concern  that  this                                                                   
could be  used more  broadly and  committed to speaking  with                                                                   
the department of Law.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kerttula  also  referred to  the language  "in                                                                   
the vicinity"  of a crime. She  asked how broad  the language                                                                   
was  intended   to  be.  Mr.  Guaneli  suggested   that  this                                                                   
provision must  be read in  context with other  requirements,                                                                   
such  as  the  officer  must  suspect  that  the  person  has                                                                   
material evidence  that applies to the situation,  as well as                                                                   
having  witnessed the  situation.  He concluded  that  police                                                                   
often  must  make  a quick  determination  of  who  might  be                                                                   
involved for  the sake of public  safety. He noted  that they                                                                   
would be unlikely to go far from  the scene of the crime, and                                                                   
contended that the language limited that location.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:05:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  noted that a  similar discussion  had occurred                                                                   
in the House  Judiciary Committee, and a suggestion  had been                                                                   
made  to change  the  language  to "immediate  vicinity".  He                                                                   
pointed out however,  as in the earlier example  he gave, the                                                                   
information  had been obtained  in an  area removed  from the                                                                   
crime  scene.  He noted  that  this  should  be left  to  the                                                                   
discretion of the police officer.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:06:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stoltze  referred to section 2,  pertaining to                                                                   
the protection  of potential  crime victims,  and asked  if a                                                                   
person that  might have been involved  in a group, such  as a                                                                   
gang, might by extension become  a victim in a gang activity.                                                                   
He asked if a  witness in a gang activity  might be protected                                                                   
under the bill.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:07:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  confirmed that by requiring  identification, a                                                                   
person may  appear to  have been  required to cooperate  with                                                                   
police, which may protect them from ramifications.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:07:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stoltze  asked for clarification  on temporary                                                                   
detention for the protection of  a witness. Mr. Guaneli noted                                                                   
that there is a general a definition  of victim of a crime in                                                                   
Title 12. the officer did not  have to know that a person was                                                                   
a  victim,  for   this  statute  to  apply,   but  only  have                                                                   
reasonable  suspicion. He  gave  an example  of  report of  a                                                                   
beating,  not witnessed  by police, and  a subsequent  belief                                                                   
that a woman and  man driving away might be  involved in this                                                                   
incident.  He added  that the  statute proposed  a scheme  in                                                                   
which police officers could then request identification.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:10:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holm asked if there  was a difference provided                                                                   
between adults  and juveniles.  Senator Bunde did  not recall                                                                   
the difference in how this identification  would be obtained.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:11:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster    MOVED  to REPORT HCS CSSB  206 (JUD)                                                                   
out of  Committee with attached  fiscal notes  and individual                                                                   
recommendations.  There  being   NO  OBJECTIONS,  it  was  so                                                                   
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HCS CSSB 206  (FIN) was REPORTED OUT of Committee  with three                                                                   
Previously Published Zero Fiscal  Notes:  #5 (ADM); #6 (COR);                                                                   
#7 (LAW); #8 (ADM) and a Do Pass Recommendation.                                                                                

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